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	<title>Comments on: Canada&#8217;s Lost e-learning Decade</title>
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		<title>By: Is e-learning failing in higher education? &#124; Tony Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is e-learning failing in higher education? &#124; Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More recently, we have had the CCL report that concluded that Canada is falling behind other countries and the adoption of e-learning is slower than predicted - both of which statements are made without any conclusive evidence (see my review of the report). However, perception is as important as reality in this business, especially when investment in technology is dependent on public funding and support. In any case, Terry Anderson commented in his blog that he was saddened by Canada&#8217;s &#8216;lost decade in e-learning&#8216;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More recently, we have had the CCL report that concluded that Canada is falling behind other countries and the adoption of e-learning is slower than predicted &#8211; both of which statements are made without any conclusive evidence (see my review of the report). However, perception is as important as reality in this business, especially when investment in technology is dependent on public funding and support. In any case, Terry Anderson commented in his blog that he was saddened by Canada&#8217;s &#8216;lost decade in e-learning&#8216;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments on there not being enough resources in higher ed are certainly close to the mark. 

Instructors can&#039;t or won&#039;t take the time to learn new systems because they don&#039;t have time and because they fear what might happen when their content leaves their personal control. 

Another issue that I have seen is that there seems to be an increasing taboo around &quot;e&quot;. Pointing it out as a &quot;special&quot; form of learning/delivery for some (many perhaps) might be a reason for resistance. If we can get traditional instructors to extend their classrooms with eLearning tools, then we might have a chance to achieve higher rates of adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments on there not being enough resources in higher ed are certainly close to the mark. </p>
<p>Instructors can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t take the time to learn new systems because they don&#8217;t have time and because they fear what might happen when their content leaves their personal control. </p>
<p>Another issue that I have seen is that there seems to be an increasing taboo around &#8220;e&#8221;. Pointing it out as a &#8220;special&#8221; form of learning/delivery for some (many perhaps) might be a reason for resistance. If we can get traditional instructors to extend their classrooms with eLearning tools, then we might have a chance to achieve higher rates of adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Review of &#8216;The State of e-Learning in Canada&#8217;: or life in a parallel universe &#124; Tony Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Review of &#8216;The State of e-Learning in Canada&#8217;: or life in a parallel universe &#124; Tony Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a more balanced and less emotional review of this report on Terry Anderson&#8217;s excellent blog, Canada&#8217;s Lost e-Learning Decade, on Virtual Canuck. However, on the same day I was reading the CCL report, I also read Roy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a more balanced and less emotional review of this report on Terry Anderson&#8217;s excellent blog, Canada&#8217;s Lost e-Learning Decade, on Virtual Canuck. However, on the same day I was reading the CCL report, I also read Roy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SOF2008 Conference&#8230; One Year Later &#171; Virtual High School Meanderings</title>
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		<dc:creator>SOF2008 Conference&#8230; One Year Later &#171; Virtual High School Meanderings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://terrya.edublogs.org/2009/05/25/canadas-lost-e-learning-decade/ http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=49069 http://www.brandon-hall.com/workplacelearningtoday/?p=4984 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://terrya.edublogs.org/2009/05/25/canadas-lost-e-learning-decade/" rel="nofollow">http://terrya.edublogs.org/2009/05/25/canadas-lost-e-learning-decade/</a> <a href="http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=49069" rel="nofollow">http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=49069</a> <a href="http://www.brandon-hall.com/workplacelearningtoday/?p=4984" rel="nofollow">http://www.brandon-hall.com/workplacelearningtoday/?p=4984</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tcarey</title>
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		<dc:creator>tcarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie has noted how our fragmented political structures work against organizational leadership in the formal education system. We might also consider the effect of geography in spreading our population across large distances [in comparison with European countries, for example], and whether the increasing use of online networking will alleviate distance as a factor.

Another factor worth considering, in comparison with the US, is the impact of Canadians&#039; basic trust in public institutions, and our focus on access rather than quality as the key performance indicator. In higher education we see much more concern about institutional accountability in the US and typically a much stronger role for government ministries in monitoring quality. And we made high investments in access to higher education under bricks and mortar paradigms, which we have not come to question now that an expanded range of provision options are available.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie has noted how our fragmented political structures work against organizational leadership in the formal education system. We might also consider the effect of geography in spreading our population across large distances [in comparison with European countries, for example], and whether the increasing use of online networking will alleviate distance as a factor.</p>
<p>Another factor worth considering, in comparison with the US, is the impact of Canadians&#8217; basic trust in public institutions, and our focus on access rather than quality as the key performance indicator. In higher education we see much more concern about institutional accountability in the US and typically a much stronger role for government ministries in monitoring quality. And we made high investments in access to higher education under bricks and mortar paradigms, which we have not come to question now that an expanded range of provision options are available.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Mundell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Mundell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking from the other side of the elephant, there really is a very different dynamic going on here, and it encompasses every sector, Governments, corporations, non-profits, small organizations, K-12 educators and individuals are all embracing online learning and pushing the pedagogical and innovation boundaries in what seems like a booming explosion in demand.  

So why the totally different perspectives? While I still venture to academic conferences but too often encounter the endless repeats of the same old discussions, I find there&#039;s often boundary pushing stuff at the better run commercial conferences such as those run by the elearning guild and ASTD. Of course the gems are often buried amongst the self-serving commercial presentations, but the elearning guild in particular tries hard to police that, and to ensure that there&#039;s a diversity of ideas and practical demonstrations. 

Perhaps if Terry and others in the academic and research communities would explore these venues more regularly we&#039;d get  some of that collaboration amongst multiple sectors going.  Since leaving academia I have found the attitude of former academic colleagues is along the lines of,  &quot;well you have gone over to the dark side, so your ideas are no longer relevant&quot; .

The fact is that changing demographics are driving a significant and exciting change in both demand for online learning resources and also in the pedagogy.

For example, learning from repetitive failure was never an option in the classroom but is a core component of some of the most successful online learning modules in industry, and it comes directly from game design principles, which Millennials respond to, and which established academic Instructional designers rarely even consider.

Government and consumer and industrial training course developers, where there is no academic certification incentive to drive students to completion have had to devise new ways to engage and motivate learners.  K-12 educators have picked up on some of those techniques, but post secondary educators haven&#039;t bothered for the most part.

Maybe Canada can be the first place to bring all the sectors back together in a truly effective collaboration?  One carefully constructed and well managed Global event could put us back on the map.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking from the other side of the elephant, there really is a very different dynamic going on here, and it encompasses every sector, Governments, corporations, non-profits, small organizations, K-12 educators and individuals are all embracing online learning and pushing the pedagogical and innovation boundaries in what seems like a booming explosion in demand.  </p>
<p>So why the totally different perspectives? While I still venture to academic conferences but too often encounter the endless repeats of the same old discussions, I find there&#8217;s often boundary pushing stuff at the better run commercial conferences such as those run by the elearning guild and ASTD. Of course the gems are often buried amongst the self-serving commercial presentations, but the elearning guild in particular tries hard to police that, and to ensure that there&#8217;s a diversity of ideas and practical demonstrations. </p>
<p>Perhaps if Terry and others in the academic and research communities would explore these venues more regularly we&#8217;d get  some of that collaboration amongst multiple sectors going.  Since leaving academia I have found the attitude of former academic colleagues is along the lines of,  &#8220;well you have gone over to the dark side, so your ideas are no longer relevant&#8221; .</p>
<p>The fact is that changing demographics are driving a significant and exciting change in both demand for online learning resources and also in the pedagogy.</p>
<p>For example, learning from repetitive failure was never an option in the classroom but is a core component of some of the most successful online learning modules in industry, and it comes directly from game design principles, which Millennials respond to, and which established academic Instructional designers rarely even consider.</p>
<p>Government and consumer and industrial training course developers, where there is no academic certification incentive to drive students to completion have had to devise new ways to engage and motivate learners.  K-12 educators have picked up on some of those techniques, but post secondary educators haven&#8217;t bothered for the most part.</p>
<p>Maybe Canada can be the first place to bring all the sectors back together in a truly effective collaboration?  One carefully constructed and well managed Global event could put us back on the map.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, you write, &quot;To have a really large and effective impact I think we need the type of collaboration amongst multiple sectors we see in Canada’s investments in nano-technology or some of the medical innovations.&quot;

I would agree, but my problem with such an approach is that it would be run by the sort of people who produced this report, and would thus effectively eliminate what good is being done now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, you write, &#8220;To have a really large and effective impact I think we need the type of collaboration amongst multiple sectors we see in Canada’s investments in nano-technology or some of the medical innovations.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would agree, but my problem with such an approach is that it would be run by the sort of people who produced this report, and would thus effectively eliminate what good is being done now.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much for the insights added through comments to this post. I&#039;d like to briefly respond to a few. First Stephen Downes had a different take on the report http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=49069. Although not really disagreeing with my comments, Stephen notes the flourishing Canadian EduBlog community - some of the world&#039;s most well read pundits - folks like himself, George Siemens, Alec Couros, Darcy Norman, Scott Leslie, Brian Lamb, Dave Courmier and lots of others I have failed to note. In addition Alex, Stephen and George have run massive open courses and all of us have been involved with innovations to our courses and doing Professional development workshops in our shop and around the world. But as evidenced by the lack of participation by main stream (industry, education faculty, K12ers) practitioners in last years online - Towards a Pan Canadian E-learning Research Agenda (http://scope.bccampus.ca/course/view.php?id=56), this crew, though erudite blogers, speakers and innovators, has, to date, had little effect on policy or mainstream practice. To have a really large and effective  impact I think we need the type of collaboration amongst multiple sectors we see in Canad&#039;s investments in nano-technology or some of the medical innovations. This would involve development and testing in multiple contexts of new technologies and pedagogies, using a variety of methodologies. As noted in the report, other countries are doing this and we should be too! 

Roger Mundell (above) is touching a much different part of the elephant when he describes e-learning in Canadian industry. I confess to be not too much aware of this sector, although I regularly learn with and from those grad students in our Masters and Dr. programs working in industry training projects across the country. It is true (as Jamie Rossiter notes above) that many are involved in forms of e-learning. We also have a few stellar e-learning companies such as Ellluminate, Smart and Desire-to-Learn. But I still argue that our innovation and vision is limited. Indeed one of the roles of effective government is to stimulate interaction amongst various sectors and helping create a climate where innovation in both public and private sector flourishes.

 I still content that this report and government and institutional activities to date, have little to offer or inspire us.  End of whine- back to work. Thanks again for your comments all!
Terry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for the insights added through comments to this post. I&#8217;d like to briefly respond to a few. First Stephen Downes had a different take on the report <a href="http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=49069" rel="nofollow">http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=49069</a>. Although not really disagreeing with my comments, Stephen notes the flourishing Canadian EduBlog community &#8211; some of the world&#8217;s most well read pundits &#8211; folks like himself, George Siemens, Alec Couros, Darcy Norman, Scott Leslie, Brian Lamb, Dave Courmier and lots of others I have failed to note. In addition Alex, Stephen and George have run massive open courses and all of us have been involved with innovations to our courses and doing Professional development workshops in our shop and around the world. But as evidenced by the lack of participation by main stream (industry, education faculty, K12ers) practitioners in last years online &#8211; Towards a Pan Canadian E-learning Research Agenda (<a href="http://scope.bccampus.ca/course/view.php?id=56)" rel="nofollow">http://scope.bccampus.ca/course/view.php?id=56)</a>, this crew, though erudite blogers, speakers and innovators, has, to date, had little effect on policy or mainstream practice. To have a really large and effective  impact I think we need the type of collaboration amongst multiple sectors we see in Canad&#8217;s investments in nano-technology or some of the medical innovations. This would involve development and testing in multiple contexts of new technologies and pedagogies, using a variety of methodologies. As noted in the report, other countries are doing this and we should be too! </p>
<p>Roger Mundell (above) is touching a much different part of the elephant when he describes e-learning in Canadian industry. I confess to be not too much aware of this sector, although I regularly learn with and from those grad students in our Masters and Dr. programs working in industry training projects across the country. It is true (as Jamie Rossiter notes above) that many are involved in forms of e-learning. We also have a few stellar e-learning companies such as Ellluminate, Smart and Desire-to-Learn. But I still argue that our innovation and vision is limited. Indeed one of the roles of effective government is to stimulate interaction amongst various sectors and helping create a climate where innovation in both public and private sector flourishes.</p>
<p> I still content that this report and government and institutional activities to date, have little to offer or inspire us.  End of whine- back to work. Thanks again for your comments all!<br />
Terry</p>
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		<title>By: A Flawed Report on the State of E-Learning in Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Flawed Report on the State of E-Learning in Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 13:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] contact anyone in the corporate training field in Canada to get up to date information. As Terry Anderson, a fellow Canadian, points out, even the recommendations in this report are a rehash of a 2001 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jamie Rossiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Rossiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 11:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your comments Terry.  So what is holding us back as a nation?  We&#039;ve had big national initiatives like Telelearning NCE ($14 m, 1996-2001), CANARIE E-learning Program ($29 m, 1999-2005), and LORNET ($7.5 m, 2003-2008), but they have not, even in aggregate, gotten us to critical mass.

I do think that our fragmented education system is a huge barrier, simply because it leaves a leadership vacuum that neither CMEC nor CCL have chosen to take up.  And it&#039;s clearly not a policy priority for this federal government.

Having said that, people are voting with their wallets.  Most education and training programs now have at least some e-learning component.  And in a country as vast as ours, use of e-learning to reach learners whomever and wherever they are just makes sense.  But what&#039;s lost is that in a field where we should be the natural world leader, we continue to borrow more than we innovate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your comments Terry.  So what is holding us back as a nation?  We&#8217;ve had big national initiatives like Telelearning NCE ($14 m, 1996-2001), CANARIE E-learning Program ($29 m, 1999-2005), and LORNET ($7.5 m, 2003-2008), but they have not, even in aggregate, gotten us to critical mass.</p>
<p>I do think that our fragmented education system is a huge barrier, simply because it leaves a leadership vacuum that neither CMEC nor CCL have chosen to take up.  And it&#8217;s clearly not a policy priority for this federal government.</p>
<p>Having said that, people are voting with their wallets.  Most education and training programs now have at least some e-learning component.  And in a country as vast as ours, use of e-learning to reach learners whomever and wherever they are just makes sense.  But what&#8217;s lost is that in a field where we should be the natural world leader, we continue to borrow more than we innovate.</p>
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